tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post1080851400507499748..comments2023-07-28T07:12:45.810-03:00Comments on NORVAL MORRISSEAU BLOG: Justice for Norval Morrisseau (Part I)Spirit Walkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03353827718431536386noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-32100940310434474252008-04-02T00:37:00.000-03:002008-04-02T00:37:00.000-03:00I find the 1970's painting are MUCH more vibrant t...I find the 1970's painting are MUCH more vibrant than at any other time period. I like them much much better. So, can you give me the names of the "fake artists" that painted them? I would like to congratulate him on his incredible strokes. Thy are quite magical for me and as well as MANY others who enter my homeEconomic Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04338902162073990568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-74817196495174137562008-02-29T22:58:00.000-04:002008-02-29T22:58:00.000-04:00eBay vendor thunderbear888email:bluenova999@rogers...eBay vendor thunderbear888<BR/>email:bluenova999@rogers.com<BR/>Michael R.Moniz<BR/>SKYPE ID:michaelrockefellor<BR/> <BR/>The company linked below can be contacted for further details concerning the nature of their work.Mr.Brian Lindblom will also testify in a court of law and has already worked with identfying Norval Morrisseau's signatures that have been painted on the reverse side of canvases.<BR/>DOCUMENT EXAMINATION CONSULTANTS INC (BRIAN LINDBLOM,B.A.,FSSocDIP)<BR/>Mr. Lindblom is regularly called upon by law enforcement agencies and is one of CANADA'S Experts in the field.<BR/>I have compiled an interesting detailed body of work titled "How to identify a Norval Morrisseau Signature".This article will be inserted into the blog.You can view this article now in my "about Me" page that is found in my eBay store Thunderbear-Canadian Art Gallery.It is an ongoing work and will be added onto as I see fit.Thank You.<BR/> <BR/>Link to signature article by Thunderbear-Canadian art Gallery:<BR/><BR/>http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=thunderbear888<BR/> <BR/>Link to Document Examination Consultants, Inc. Scientific Examination of Questioned Documents by a Qualified Forensic Document Examiner. <BR/><BR/>http://www.decinc.ca/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-54994836335587020992008-02-25T09:23:00.000-04:002008-02-25T09:23:00.000-04:00"as previously posted, an appraisal has nothing to..."as previously posted, an appraisal has nothing to do with authenticity"<BR/><BR/>The above quotation came from an anonymous blogger:according to Joeseph McLeod of Maslak McLeod Gallery he told me that an "Appraisal is the same thing as Authenticating the work"<BR/>He said to me "if the piece wasn"t real why would I place a value of $20,000.00 Cnd on to it?If it weren't real?"<BR/><BR/>ThunderBear888Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-66268734452059548372008-02-24T06:15:00.000-04:002008-02-24T06:15:00.000-04:00My last post was here at 23-02-08:14:32. Some chi...My last post was here at 23-02-08:14:32. Some child has been using my initials since then. It appears that this is just another chat room without substance. Good bye.<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-15308901765043984532008-02-23T15:32:00.000-04:002008-02-23T15:32:00.000-04:00When the blogmaster started this blog, he made it ...When the blogmaster started this blog, he made it quite clear in the first few postings, that this blog was intended to honour Norval Morrisseau the man. Morrisseau was a shaman who painted -- not a painter who was also a shaman. That is the secret to the genius of the art which he produced, and that is the intended and stated purpose of the blog -- interpretation of the master shaman. All of the postings dealing with the history of commercial exchanging of that art detract from the purpose of the blog: INTERPRETATION & HONOUR<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-37348144084230734992008-02-23T14:49:00.000-04:002008-02-23T14:49:00.000-04:00as to above, I agree. intelectual flyweights shoul...as to above, I agree. intelectual flyweights should post elsewhere.<BR/>there are blogs in which you could debate your very clever and deeply philisophical views.<BR/>clearly some of these thoughts apply to Norval, thats OK. but I for one could give a rats ass about your interpitations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-58330910111894161802008-02-23T13:43:00.000-04:002008-02-23T13:43:00.000-04:00With regards to your specific comment, I am hoping...With regards to your specific comment, I am hoping that Bryant Ross is clever enough to appreciate the specific joke intended in the post. If it goes over his head, I'll be disappointed.<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-7548262978428378622008-02-23T13:28:00.000-04:002008-02-23T13:28:00.000-04:00Norval Morrisseau's paintings are expressions of s...Norval Morrisseau's paintings are expressions of spiritual values and beliefs. There can be no understanding of those values and beliefs without discussion of SPIRITUAL matters.<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-62886753680328097902008-02-23T12:57:00.000-04:002008-02-23T12:57:00.000-04:00C.T. herenice that we are now bringing in the "rel...C.T. here<BR/>nice that we are now bringing in the "religous" aspect. that always seems to go over well.<BR/>yes it was important, but the personal views of people who post here should not matter to anyone.<BR/>this kind of battle has historically created nightmares.<BR/>keep religous opinions out.<BR/>just my thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-51341153090959436622008-02-23T02:20:00.000-04:002008-02-23T02:20:00.000-04:00All you have to do is call Gallery 223 in Nanaimo ...All you have to do is call Gallery 223 in Nanaimo and ask how much paint Gabe bought over the last few years ( Since Norval stopped painting). He was their BEST customer. And who's paintings were FAKE?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-39083955270920430732008-02-22T18:15:00.000-04:002008-02-22T18:15:00.000-04:00RE: ABOVEGabe's 15 minutes of fame are over. Who ...RE: ABOVE<BR/>Gabe's 15 minutes of fame are over. Who cares what he thinks? He is now irrelevant. You omitted the last word of your sentence. That word should be: AUTHENTIC.<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-54659698437775212512008-02-22T17:34:00.000-04:002008-02-22T17:34:00.000-04:00Gabe is right on Gary's paintings - every last one...Gabe is right on Gary's paintings - every last one of them is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-80486179530885967512008-02-22T10:35:00.000-04:002008-02-22T10:35:00.000-04:00C.T - thanks for letting me know Kahn is still in ...C.T - thanks for letting me know Kahn is still in business. Used to go every Tuesday but thought they closed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-49298287222383176812008-02-22T10:17:00.000-04:002008-02-22T10:17:00.000-04:00C.T. hereno problem with Kahn, they are still in b...C.T. here<BR/>no problem with Kahn, they are still in business, I stop in every once in awhile. I am a bit frustrated here that we still are not getting details from those who are selling these works?<BR/>I don't own any Morrissea's, hell I can hardly afford my internet connection, but I do love the art.<BR/>as this blog seems to go back and forth,I ask is it time to get a dif blog where we could just discuss Morrisseau and his art? any takers? the authenticity issue will always remain. the suckers will always get taken in, and the serious collectors know what and where to buy, thats how it is and thats how it will always be. sad but true.<BR/>C.T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-14621099677758731882008-02-22T10:09:00.000-04:002008-02-22T10:09:00.000-04:00I also heard that Morrisseau spent time in jail an...I also heard that Morrisseau spent time in jail and that the jail guards provided him with art supplies to paint. It is possible that if this person was associated in some way wiht Morrisseau when he was in person that he could have collected a very sizeable collection of his work. If he was in prison he would have had the time to paint hundreds of paintings! That being said I am not sure when he was in prison and if this would be the same time frames as the dates of these painting often questioned.<BR/><BR/>Once again - like comment above - if the owner shed some light to the public he would be doing justice to his own name, the name of the people who have bought the paintings in good faith and most of all to Norval Morrisseau himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-89293600926298493772008-02-22T10:05:00.000-04:002008-02-22T10:05:00.000-04:00From my understanding - it is the Thunderbay suppl...From my understanding - it is the Thunderbay supplier mentioned above who is providing this paintings to the GTA-East auction house. He has made the decision to supply them on a weekly/monthly basis a number of Morrisseaus. My knowledge is that it is this supplier that also provided the paintings for the Kahn Auction - from which this auction house likely spun off from when Kahn closed it doors (Kahns name has been brought up many times and I think it is important to note that Kahn was a very reputable business that ran weekly Tuesday night auctions that were great). Most owners of the well known Morrisseau galleries know exactly who this person is that is supply them to this auction house but my understanding is that he is a bit of a intravert and not interested in working with others. He is well known by name to many as is the individual that runs the paintings back and forth on his behalf. Is it that those wanting an in on this supply are frustrated that he will not provide them with access so in return the goal is to tarnish the reputation of these paintings to hopefully decrease their value? Or do they have a leg to stand on - since he has chosen not to come forward and share provenance on them we are left only to say we acquired this painting from a private collector in Toronto, Thunderbay or...not much of a leg to stand on her with out more details!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-39886534700545579772008-02-22T09:12:00.000-04:002008-02-22T09:12:00.000-04:00Hi as to seperate comments in this blog I will add...Hi as to seperate comments in this blog I will add "C.T." to all my posts from here on in.<BR/>I ask again where and when is this case to be heard.<BR/>I would also like to know why it seems the the people with what seems to be and endless supply of Morrisseau works always want to remain anonymous? and those selling them can't or don't remember where exactly they came from?<BR/>it was recently pointed out to me that a auction house ( 1 of many)east of Toronto seems to have a dozen or two Morrisseau paintings a month for sale, and has for years? it is starting to look like "morrisseau "<BR/>painted 100,000 paintings? maybe more? does anyone know where I can get a nice original copy of <BR/>"dogs playing pool" ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-87108680857409551402008-02-22T08:01:00.000-04:002008-02-22T08:01:00.000-04:00RE: "SUE YOUR ASS"I don't know which of you is sug...RE: "SUE YOUR ASS"<BR/>I don't know which of you is suggesting the class action suit,so can we hear from each of you, not anonymously -- Gary, Robert, Steve -- ? I'm sure that if you go for it, others will chip in with financing.<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-57354282110693707182008-02-22T06:48:00.000-04:002008-02-22T06:48:00.000-04:00As I said before above, this is a COMMERCIAL battl...As I said before above, this is a COMMERCIAL battle between people wanting to get as big as possible a slice of a $300 million pie, and is not an ARTS battle -- it has nothing to do with the authenticity of the art.<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-22540386404842197742008-02-22T06:38:00.000-04:002008-02-22T06:38:00.000-04:00I think that most of the insiders in the business ...I think that most of the insiders in the business do know, as I do, the name of the consignor who still wishes to remain anonymous, and the flap that they keep making about this is because the consignor refuses to deal with them. The two principal gallery owners who keep bringing this issue up, do know who that consignor is, but have both been denied access to this consignor's supply, for his own good reasons. It is out of jealousy and greed that they keep attacking those who do have access to this supply, and want to honour that consignor's privacy. Nevertheless, the cat might get out of the bag if the consignor is subpoenaed as a hostile witness at the up-coming trial.<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-36624455740849687002008-02-21T21:16:00.000-04:002008-02-21T21:16:00.000-04:00I have no issue in putting in $50.00.Im not even f...I have no issue in putting in $50.00.<BR/>Im not even fortunate enough to own a Morrisseau of any kind.<BR/>just love the art.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-38143152290861306632008-02-21T20:19:00.000-04:002008-02-21T20:19:00.000-04:00With reference to the continued references to the ...With reference to the continued references to the NMHS:<BR/>Further up in this blog we have the letter from the NMHS which states that “although able to do so”, the NMHS has authenticated NOT A SINGLE PIECE to this date. It is all very well to keep urging everyone to register with the NMHS, but quite simply: THE JOB IS NOT BEING DONE!! Who are the NMHS? These are people who, like all skilled successful people, have very busy personal timetables. Their work for NMHS is VOLUNTARY. IT IS NOT PAID FOR. It is not realistic for anyone to expect them to get on with the job in the forseeable future. To be brutally frank, we are looking at a timetable of 20+ YEARS – we are waiting, realistically, for the next generation of experts who will replace the aging current NMHS. If we want to speed up the timetable, the public must find the money to pay an expert to work full-time for NMHS. If we compare possible salaries with similarly qualified people elsewhere in the arts world, we are looking for someone who will be paid $120,000+ per year. Payroll costs for statutory expenses in Ontario run 27%, so add $32,400+. Our expert will probably need two office assistants. Add $75,000+ for payroll and $20,250+ for statutory payroll expenses. We will want them to have a modern office equipped with computers and with the latest in imaging technology, etc. Add $100,000 per year. Our minimum budget is now $347,650 per year. Who’s going to pay? Well, the people who own Morrisseau work will be the ones who benefit by getting proper registration and credentials – they should pay. The estimated current market value of the entire Morrisseau life-time work is about $300 MILLION, and since the artist has passed on, expect that to increase at about 20 % per year for a decade, then level off to the rate of inflation. If everyone who owns a Morrisseau pays a voluntary tax of $1.16 per $1000 of appraised value, we will more than meet our budget.<BR/>I am writing out a cheque for $46.40 right now for my tax to get the ball rolling.<BR/>Who is going to be next?<BR/>It is NOT so very well to keep harping on sending things to NMHS. Somebody has to pay for this service, and it ought not to be our already over-loaded government – it ought to be the people who benefit.<BR/>O.K., who’s next?<BR/>Karl H. von HartenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-52489919371008261992008-02-21T15:19:00.000-04:002008-02-21T15:19:00.000-04:00maybe we should get LT Columbo to investigate?plea...maybe we should get LT Columbo to investigate?<BR/>please no more BS accusations, get your works registered. <BR/>is it because you are concerned or lack the confidence of these academics? will they some how deceive you?<BR/>perhaps they are all out to get you?<BR/>get on the meds and off of the soapbox your protesting is doing nothing to promote or validate the works you say are authentic.<BR/>there is only one option at this time and it is the NMHS.<BR/>like it or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-84231785100049728172008-02-21T14:59:00.000-04:002008-02-21T14:59:00.000-04:00My condolences to Val's family.C.T.The person you ...My condolences to Val's family.<BR/><BR/>C.T.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The person you are referring to is Gary Lamont and Linda Lamont aka Gary Bruce Thacky ( Thunderbay Vendor)<BR/><BR/> perhaps we now have the source or supplier? not an accusation, just an observation? any comments?<BR/><BR/>more has been revealed to so many in the last few days, that with tidbits posted throughout are starting to create an image, I can almost see it now.<BR/>please keep posting.<BR/>thanks<BR/>C.T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-45945506836893106232008-02-21T13:09:00.000-04:002008-02-21T13:09:00.000-04:00ThunderBear-Canadian Art GalleryeBay vendor Thunde...ThunderBear-Canadian Art Gallery<BR/>eBay vendor Thunderbear888<BR/>email:bluenova999@rogers.com<BR/>Michael R.Moniz<BR/><BR/>Val Ross has passed away...Globe obituary...on the 19th of February 2008 with a long battle against brain cancer.<BR/><BR/>I wish to express my condolences to the Ross family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com