tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post5246226035835159065..comments2023-07-28T07:12:45.810-03:00Comments on NORVAL MORRISSEAU BLOG: Childlike Simplicity IISpirit Walkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03353827718431536386noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-49313843011285781742008-02-26T16:16:00.000-04:002008-02-26T16:16:00.000-04:00Why would others say earlier and that all painting...Why would others say earlier and that all paintings after 1994 were done by Gabe or with assistance of Gabe or another painter? <BR/><BR/>I am not questioning your statement SpiritWalker but how do you know it was 2002. I am an collector that has stayed away from more current pieces (that I do like) out of concern around when he stopped painting. I only am looking for some insight from people who know more then me to help educate me to perhaps actually make a purchase.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-72278209441872602372008-02-26T16:02:00.000-04:002008-02-26T16:02:00.000-04:00Norval stopped painting altogether in 2002.Norval stopped painting altogether in 2002.Spirit Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353827718431536386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-59462192581138518912008-02-26T15:59:00.000-04:002008-02-26T15:59:00.000-04:00Presume Karl has moved on...anyone else have any t...Presume Karl has moved on...anyone else have any thoughts on his comment made above - first I have heard of this. When exactly did Norval stop painting and is this documented or speculation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-75243805301381811652008-02-23T12:49:00.000-04:002008-02-23T12:49:00.000-04:00C.T.can you tell us what makes you think its Gabe?...C.T.<BR/>can you tell us what makes you think its Gabe? how do you know?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-29311647517662070802008-02-23T00:10:00.000-04:002008-02-23T00:10:00.000-04:00RE: KRG FAKES (above)Especially if you include eve...RE: KRG FAKES (above)<BR/>Especially if you include every one of the post-1994 paintings which were actually painted by Gabe?<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-62627270262232643292008-02-22T22:32:00.000-04:002008-02-22T22:32:00.000-04:00C.T. again.I personally want to take a break here ...C.T. again.<BR/>I personally want to take a break here and note that passions run high as we all share details questions and accusations.<BR/>I for one do give credit to the blog master for giving us all the forum to discuss these issues.<BR/>blogs serve a valuable service for many, and the discussions are always important.<BR/>this blog clearly shows that this incredible artist and Shaman has profoundly touched many.<BR/>I take this opportunity to post, as I have re-read some of my comments, at times sarcastic or blunt, I do seek the truth as do others.<BR/>I again stress I am not on one side or the other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-86406657540542947932008-02-22T22:20:00.000-04:002008-02-22T22:20:00.000-04:00C.T. here, again.good point. he also sold some ver...C.T. here, again.<BR/><BR/>good point. he also sold some very very ugly work while on the skids in east Van. which brings up a point, could some of the works which are immediatly called fakes by some, just be the very very ugly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-67768592338808731152008-02-22T17:39:00.000-04:002008-02-22T17:39:00.000-04:00I am sure KRG has sold a few fakes unknowingly as ...I am sure KRG has sold a few fakes unknowingly as well - Norval himself has authenticated fakes just to get the cashAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-16872074217094688842008-02-22T17:29:00.000-04:002008-02-22T17:29:00.000-04:00Coghlan art has some very recent pieces posted on ...Coghlan art has some very recent pieces posted on their site - I can guarantee you 100% Norval did not do them alone - he most certainly had help - does this mean they are fakes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-81166237934597474402008-02-22T14:51:00.000-04:002008-02-22T14:51:00.000-04:00Hi C.T. herethanks for the post above.it may have ...Hi C.T. here<BR/>thanks for the post above.it may have to come to that, I agree that it may be worth having someone work full time as you stated.<BR/>this should be supervised by someone with no connection to either side in this blog, gallery or the NMHS.<BR/>I'm sure that there are many wealthy owners and supporters of the arts who could assist in donating some funds to get started.<BR/>there is no one answer to this issue.<BR/>but to at least start is better than to wait and do nothing.<BR/>I fully support the fulltime research, unfortunatly my contribution would be limited to the occasional round of Tim Horton's .<BR/>thanks and keep on posting, as I think much has happened already in the last few days.<BR/>now it's up to those with real intrests and resources to step in with no alterior motives.<BR/>thanks to ALL who post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-4089170986694532332008-02-22T13:40:00.000-04:002008-02-22T13:40:00.000-04:00To C.T.: I don't think anyone is advocating the se...To C.T.: I don't think anyone is advocating the setting up of another authenticating system, although I should point out that creating a catalogue raisonne is an academic pursuit not limited to one person or group -- and there are several groups in the process of doing a Morrisseau CR. What I and others have advocated on the blog is upping the pace of the NMHS by paying one of the professionals to go full-time. As well, this blog is serving that purpose to some extent -- paintings can be posted for specific public learned commentary by the experts. On the other question you've posted; the Globe keeps stalling the actual trial date, but it will be posted here when it's eventually set.<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-65662268779108011482008-02-22T11:17:00.000-04:002008-02-22T11:17:00.000-04:00Lets stop kidding ourselves...KRG most likely keep...Lets stop kidding ourselves...KRG most likely keeps tabs on this blog but I can guarantee you that they are not going to add a response that can be accredited to them. I am sure they have been adding comments using various nicknames and anonymous.<BR/><BR/>I could be wrong (according to my wife I often am but that is likely a topic for another blog!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-15547684959595141642008-02-22T08:49:00.000-04:002008-02-22T08:49:00.000-04:00they may no longer authenticate, but should anyone...they may no longer authenticate, but should anyone want to sell or consign a Morrisseau to KRG, i suspect that they would have no problem taking the piece if they felt comfortable it was authentic?<BR/>I'm sure they would also have no problem passing on others?<BR/>the problem seems to be that people "want it now" that is not how things work, it took Morrisseau some 40+ years to create and I would think it may take that long to register and create the catalogue. Like many others I hope it would be sooner.<BR/>but to ask for or to suggest that we should set up a "new" forum to do the same work is absurd.this is why the history of a work of art is as important as the source you by it from. reputation and history are what makes art works easy to buy,sell or resell even if there is no official catalogue for the artist. HISTORY and REPUTATION.<BR/>I'm still waiting to hear from KRG in regards to the Kahn auction details in a post a few days ago. all details are important.<BR/><BR/>C.T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-63097931840927666352008-02-22T02:03:00.000-04:002008-02-22T02:03:00.000-04:00thanks for that lead..."I checked out the NMHS let...thanks for that lead...<BR/><BR/>"I checked out the NMHS letter and they state "Kinsman-Robinson Gallery in Toronto is a trusted dealer of Norval Morrisseau's art"<BR/><BR/>that's all i need...now i know where to buy my first Morrisseau!<BR/><BR/>thank you spirit walker."<BR/><BR/>My comment:<BR/>I went to the Kinsman Robinson Gallery on February 20 2007 and I asked the guy there if they could authenticate my pieces and he said that they "NO LONGER DO THIS KIND OF WORK ANYMORE!" and that I should go to the NMHS to do it.When I pointed out to him that the NMHS had not even authenticated the 1700 pieces they have collected in their catalogue reissone he just shrugged his shoulders and twittled his thumbs at me and said that Kinsman Robinson Gallery got out of authenticating business for out of fear with litigation? He did say that they did it for 17 years though in the past?<BR/><BR/>ThunderBear888<BR/>eBay Vendor<BR/>ThunderBear-Canadian Art Gallery<BR/>email:bluenova999@rogers.com<BR/>Michael R.MonizAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-2958578518914561672008-02-21T22:28:00.000-04:002008-02-21T22:28:00.000-04:00I have already offered $50.00 to have the paint ch...I have already offered $50.00 to have the paint chip checked, I have no issue in putting in another $50 for the NMHS.<BR/>ps I don't even own a Morrisseau of any kind, just love art..<BR/>I'm ready..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-54734807704286977032008-02-21T21:24:00.000-04:002008-02-21T21:24:00.000-04:00these works are very similar to some works I saw r...these works are very similar to some works I saw recently at the art world of Sherway in the west end of Toronto, have others had a chance to visit this gallery?<BR/>they also have several other work's by Norval.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-49472957127674528992008-02-21T20:40:00.000-04:002008-02-21T20:40:00.000-04:00With reference to the continued references to the ...With reference to the continued references to the NMHS:<BR/>Further up in this blog we have the letter from the NMHS which states that “although able to do so”, the NMHS has authenticated NOT A SINGLE PIECE to this date. It is all very well to keep urging everyone to register with the NMHS, but quite simply: THE JOB IS NOT BEING DONE!! Who are the NMHS? These are people who, like all skilled successful people, have very busy personal timetables. Their work for NMHS is VOLUNTARY. IT IS NOT PAID FOR. It is not realistic for anyone to expect them to get on with the job in the forseeable future. To be brutally frank, we are looking at a timetable of 20+ YEARS – we are waiting, realistically, for the next generation of experts who will replace the aging current NMHS. If we want to speed up the timetable, the public must find the money to pay an expert to work full-time for NMHS. If we compare possible salaries with similarly qualified people elsewhere in the arts world, we are looking for someone who will be paid $120,000+ per year. Payroll costs for statutory expenses in Ontario run 27%, so add $32,400+. Our expert will probably need two office assistants. Add $75,000+ for payroll and $20,250+ for statutory payroll expenses. We will want them to have a modern office equipped with computers and with the latest in imaging technology, etc. Add $100,000 per year. Our minimum budget is now $347,650 per year. Who’s going to pay? Well, the people who own Morrisseau work will be the ones who benefit by getting proper registration and credentials – they should pay. The estimated current market value of the entire Morrisseau life-time work is about $300 MILLION, and since the artist has passed on, expect that to increase at about 20 % per year for a decade, then level off to the rate of inflation. If everyone who owns a Morrisseau pays a voluntary tax of $1.16 per $1000 of appraised value, we will more than meet our budget.<BR/>I am writing out a cheque for $46.40 right now for my tax to get the ball rolling.<BR/>Who is going to be next?<BR/>It is NOT so very well to keep harping on sending things to NMHS. Somebody has to pay for this service, and it ought not to be our already over-loaded government – it ought to be the people who benefit.<BR/>O.K., who’s next?<BR/>Karl H. von HartenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-11281110455570521182008-02-21T15:56:00.000-04:002008-02-21T15:56:00.000-04:00forgot to add this to the above.I would still be i...forgot to add this to the above.<BR/>I would still be intrested in hearing from KRG regarding the Kahn auction details posted yesterday? <BR/><BR/>"always listening"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-33565840143695311532008-02-21T15:52:00.000-04:002008-02-21T15:52:00.000-04:00just checked the Coghlan web site, some new Morris...just checked the Coghlan web site, some new Morrisseau works are posted,they are all from the 90s. it appears that a work which was on the site for a while is also now marked sold?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-23361934578522094332008-02-21T12:10:00.000-04:002008-02-21T12:10:00.000-04:00thanks for that lead...i checked out the NMHS lett...thanks for that lead...<BR/><BR/>i checked out the NMHS letter and they state "Kinsman-Robinson Gallery in Toronto is a trusted dealer of Norval Morrisseau's art"<BR/><BR/>that's all i need...now i know where to buy my first Morrisseau!<BR/><BR/>thank you spirit walker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-65765303779502038102008-02-21T06:13:00.000-04:002008-02-21T06:13:00.000-04:00RE: the comments above which attribute credibility...RE: the comments above which attribute credibility to NMHS -- check the postings under JUSTICE FOR MORRISSEAU elsewhere on this blog, which includes a letter from NMHS outlining their inability to do their job<BR/>KHVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-37278308088929418182008-02-20T16:38:00.000-04:002008-02-20T16:38:00.000-04:00KRG - do you view this Blog? I am sure you do. Y...KRG - do you view this Blog? I am sure you do. You should start an archive section of Morrisseau paintings that you have sold to demonstrated to the uneducated that in fact you do represent Morrisseau works from the 60's and 70's and demonstrate the artistic quality of these works. <BR/><BR/>I recently purchased one from the 60's. Did not hesitate for one second on it - had the provenance, the image, colour and so on....a painting of true quality. This was my first purchase at KRG. Have seen the frog painting as well as the beaver painting that are very impressive when you stand in front of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-17098873745009074832008-02-20T16:27:00.000-04:002008-02-20T16:27:00.000-04:00if you live near Toronto and want to see a fantast...if you live near Toronto and want to see a fantastic work from the 70s<BR/>go to the KRG and check out the "Sacred Frogs" 1971 (and others) <BR/>I have seen this work in person, and it's stunning. when you see it in person, you will know and feel that you are looking at a masterpiece by Norval Morrisseau.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-79792742644783145942008-02-20T16:11:00.000-04:002008-02-20T16:11:00.000-04:00Not associated with any gallery so I would appreci...Not associated with any gallery so I would appreciate that no one makes a claim that I am.<BR/><BR/>Kinsman Robinson currently has two paintings from the 1970's for sale. In past visits to the gallery I have also seen beautiful paintings from both the 60's and 70's for sale in the gallery. Although they do primarily focus on paintings from the 80's and 90's (which makes sense since they have represented him and his work during this period) they are not adverse to showing an early work that is to the artistic quality and standards that they view as being to their gallery standards. The 70's (or 60's) is not a decade that KRG has ignored completely. <BR/><BR/>Coghlan Gallery - same thing. Large majority of painting fromthe 80 and 90's but he often offers pieces fromthe 60's (check out his site today) and the 70's (check out his archive of Morrisseau paintings).<BR/><BR/>Both gallery have made a decision to represent what they believe in being quality pieces from this time period and have not omitted it completey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722577745830268902.post-56275341573324492922008-02-20T15:50:00.000-04:002008-02-20T15:50:00.000-04:00To anonymous:If you go through all of the posting ...To anonymous:<BR/><BR/>If you go through all of the posting you will see one painting from the 1960's and several from the 1980s. I admit that majority are from the 1970s - the dacade omitted by the galleries that state that paintings of that style from the 1970s are of the questionable quality.<BR/><BR/>As time passes by more paintings from other decades will be represented herein. Patience my friend.... patience.Spirit Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353827718431536386noreply@blogger.com