NORVAL MORRISSEAU BLOG: Norval Morrisseau Cree Syllabics' Signature Study (Part I)

Norval Morrisseau Quotes:

"I transmit astral plane harmonies through my brushes into the physical plane. These otherworld colours are reflected in the alphabet of nature, a grammar in which the symbols are plants, animals, birds, fishes, earth and sky. I am merely a channel for the spirit to utilize, and it is needed by a spirit starved society."

"My art speaks and will continue to speak, transcending barriers of nationality, language and other forces that may be divisive, fortifying the greatness of the spirit that has always been the foundation of the Ojibwa people."
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"I started to do some painting. I guess I saw some art literature from Arizona or the Southwest somewhere, but I was hungry to learn more. I wanted to paint my house and paint the walls in traditional pictographs like the ones I saw from the rock paintings and birch bark scrolls our people used to make."
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"I was told by some relatives not to do this - that I should not be tampering with these forms, 'because the Indians will ostracize you'. Or the elders would not care for it, just like the Jesuits.
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Nevertheless I was determined to do it, for it is my destiny..."
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"The Shaman Artist
Wishes to express to us
Through
The art form
That we are all
Like children
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Our childlike simplicity
With dignity and sweet humility
We view
One environment
and
Remind us of the Pure Spirit
Expressing itself upon ourselves."

"I don't wish my work to be exploited, but to be properly used as an art form in its proper place where for the generations of the great Ojibway people it can be seen in the future, as well as be appreciated by all our white brothers."

"I’ve been looking for books all my life – books about American Indians. Anything that I could find that was civil and worthwhile besides what my Grandfather was telling me about the Iroquois and others. There isn’t very much written about Natives in the art and history books we read today. The only thing that was written was about the Iroquois slaughtering the Jesuits somewhere and Sitting Bull and his followers being chased out of Canada."

"I want my work to be cornerstone for Indian art, to provide something that will last."
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"I have always been attracted to religious paintings, but only the ones that had that mystical or supernatural quality in them, especially Saint Teresa by Bernini. Just looking at Saint Teresa I get some kind of vibrations from it. I can close my eyes and feel them. That's great art, and it brings on that tingling sexual feeling. Other saints, like Saint Sebastian, do that as well. But the Christ figure was always the one that was dominant for me.That's why I say that Christ to me is still the greatest shaman, and that is why some religious visions are so complex, and so very hard to explain to people."
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"Love for life is a gift"
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“I would like to say that I am an artist so that I can beautify the world and battle conditioned consciousness with the same tools used to condition it."

My culture is my world.”

“My paintings are icons, that is to say, they are images which help focus on spiritual powers, generated by traditional belief and wisdom.”

"It is our Ojibwa tradition to recall our history or obtain our history in an oral manner. It is important for our children and others to benefit through the process of continuing to recall and make history."
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"I guess I was increasingly seeking the art form and culture I was being taught, but there was none out there."
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"The Grand Shaman is like the Pope of Rome. The Pope is on one side of coin, the Shaman on the other side of the coin."

"My Grandfather told me once that nobody, no matter how hard they tried, could he remember all of the legends, otherwise, the whole of Northwestern Ontario would be covered in Pictographs."

"My idea is, why I draw them, see, there's lots of stories that are told in Ojibway but that wasn't enough for me. I wanted to draw them - that's from my own self - my own idea what they look like."
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"Just be"
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"Today we wonder and are distracted by the white man's ways that we cannot cope with. Those of us who are lucky have made it. But a lot of us are still behind, by trying to live like our white brothers and their religion, ignoring our great ancestors' culture. If one has an intelligent mind we could live side by side with our ancient ways and same time get us where we should be."

"Armed with an arsenal of heavenly designs and sculptures, the priests were prepared and fearless. With their unlimited resources and soldiers they were sent to conquer the New World and bring their culture and religion to every corner."

"People had to be stripped of their culture before they could be taught to be civilized. The Natives of the Americas were not the dogs people were misled to believe, but rather a sophisticated network of different cultures, religions and so on."

"When the Jesuits came, the Indian was already around. The Indian did not understand them. He tried to understand them, what they were up to. He knew that they were going to be there for awhile. He knew how sad it was, seeing his people, how low they were put, how they had previously enjoyed living and needed to live freely again. How do we go about doing that now? We need images. We’re going to use images ourselves."

"I've always wanted to be a role model. I've always wanted to stay an Indian. I wanted the little kids to know that."

"To accomplish what I have started and to die in it feeling I have fulfilled what I started - to reach a level where I and Manitou and the Indian will always keep the Indian faith alive - to be a great Artist and Preserver of Indian culture. I accept it fully as a duty in life which was set forth for, to set an example."

"I may not have a Ferrari, but I'm the first Indian to break into the Canadian art scene and I have forever enriched the Canadian way of life. I want to make paintings full of colour, laughter, compassion and love. I want to make paintings that will make people happy, that will change the course of people's lives. If I can do that, I can paint for 100 years."

"These paintings only remind you that you're an Indian. Inside somewhere, we're all Indians. So now when I befriend you, I'm trying to get the best Indian, bring out the Indianness in you to make you think everything is sacred."
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"The fish, sacred trout, was the most respected of all fish. The trout gave the Indian life in abundance and according to Ojibwa Indian mythology it represented his soul carrier. The trout carried the Indian soul through transmigration into an other existence in the supernatural or reincarnation. All this belief worked for the betterment of the Indian food in reality - faith in the supernatural."
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“Among the Indians, as among other nations, some people are born artists, but most are not. I am a born artist. I have as much interest in my people as any anthropologist, and I have studied our culture and lore. My aim is to reassemble the pieces of a once proud culture, and to show the dignity and bravery of my people.”
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"Now, when I paint a picture I just alow myself to be used. I pick up the pencil and the canvas. I allow the interaction with soul to reflect in the mind, to put down these images of people, men or women or children especially. I may draw a hundred children, but there is never the same colour."

"Many times people tell me that I’ve cured them of something, whatever’s ailing them. But I didn’t do anything. It was the colour of the painting that did it. But now it’s even much stronger. The healing is much stronger than it ever was. What I finally find is this: We could live with turmoil and the anguish in everything and still we could feel contented and happy and compassionate. What we got rid of is the stress with colour.”

"As for the colours, one was for the heart, one was for the bum, one was for the arms, one was for all the different kinds of sicknesses."

"A long time ago, maybe two or three hundred years ago, before white men were around, some people were worried about what was going to happen.... so they went to talk to a shaman. They asked him if he could find out. The shaman went to a sacred place and started singing and drumming. He beat on his drum harder and harder until he jumped right out of his body and began to rise up in his consciousness. He went up to the third astral plane where he could fly through time. He flew through time until he reached the year 2000 and then came down to look around. Below him he could see hundreds, thousands... more than he could count... millions of ants travelling down well traveled trails... and mountains sticking out of the plains like giant ice crystals, reflecting the sun back into his face. When he returned to his own time he told the people about what he had seen. He told them that what ever these creatures were, there was lots of them and they were coming."
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"All is well"
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"We natives believe in the following saying: "Our God is Native. The Great Deity of the Five Planes is so. We are neither for nor against, We speak not of Christ nor of God. We say, 'Let them be. 'We follow the Spirit on its Inward Journey of Soul through attitudes and attentions. Remember we are all in a big School and the Inner Master teaches us Experience over many Lifetimes."

"I have always been attracted to religious paintings, but only the ones that had that mystical or supernatural quality in them, especially Saint Teresa by Bernini. Just looking at Saint Teresa I get some kind of vibrations from it. I can close my eyes and feel them. That's great art, and it brings on that tingling sexual feeling. Other saints, like Saint Sebastian, do that as well. But the Christ figure was always the one that was dominant for me.That's why I say that Christ to me is still the greatest shaman, and that is why some religious visions are so complex, and so very hard to explain to people."

"Years ago I was walking down the street in Winnipeg feeling sorry for myself. A man was walking towards me, He had long hair and a leather jacket, and as we meet he said,"Things are not as bad as we think". I looked away for a second and when I looked back he was gone. I never saw that man again."

"Just as a fish swims in any clear northern lake (in a medium that is virtually invisible to the eye) so we, if we are to live all right, should realize we live in a dimension on which our very existence, as people and artists, depends. The dimension is that of connectivity in life shared together in mutual respect… Fish, in spawning runs, seem to urge each other on, to reach safe and secluded lakes, with plentiful food supplies. Once there, they can live more non-competitively."

"Why am I alive? To heal you guys who are more screwed up than I am. How can I heal you? With colour. These are the colours you dreamt about one night."

"I can live anywhere. I can paint anywhere. I have painted six panels of the Man Who Changed Into a Thunderbird. All these paintings came from within. I don't need to isolate myself to do them. I can paint them here, there or anywhere. A pipe band could be going by, or cars."

"I paint with these colours to heal, my paintings honour the Anishnaabe ancestors who have roamed the Great Lakes for centuries upon centuries."

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"We are all one"
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"My people believe the earth to be their mother and that we are children of the earth. In spirit we are one with our environment."

"Personally I am not thinking about myself truthfully in this present year but years ahead when I am death for the children of mine and the generations of my people to feel proud of the art heritage of the Ojibway and every nationality is proud of its culture."

"We Are All One in Spirit"

Others about Norval Morrisseau:

"How was it possible for this youth to reach back to the old feelings, to conceive the images that would bear the unmistakable stamp of his people? How could this firm pride originate in a community relegated to the status of third class citizens, constantly reminded of this status and defeated by it? What was there about this lad that earned for him in a medicine woman's dream the combined names of a powerful spirit and the metal traditionally sacred to the Lake Superior Ojibway- Copper Thunderbird?"
Selwyn Dewdney
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"...Norval, with his incredible ability with the formal problems of art (colour-design-space) and his commitment to the world of his people, the great Ojibway, give one the sense of power that only genius provides... It is sufficient to say that in the history of Canadian Painting, few have, and will remain giants. Norval shall."-
Jack Pollock

"Morrisseau's genius for unifying or braking space in his designs is astonishing, as sureness of line. It cannot be classed as primitive art, because both the ideas and the expression evince cultivated thought. As this mysticism has never been recorded he is breaking new ground."-
Pearl McCarthy

"Norval Morrisseau stands alone in his formal innovation and largeness of personal vision. He was the first Indian to study seriously and to update his own cultural beliefs and translate them visually for contemporary Indian and non-Indian audiences. In doing so he became the first Indian to break through the Canadian professional white-art barrier. His brilliance lies in his ability to break away from his own conventions, to constantly renew his vision." -
Elizabeth McLuhan

"He is one of the greatest painters Canada has ever produced. One day we were looking at the Group of Seven and he commented 'They paint trees, I paint loons and they connect to the sky'". -
Tom Hill

"Norval, like all innovators, had made a trajectory to contemporary cultural theory, an idea I was not to understand until quite recently. It situated Norval at the centre of a cultural transformation, contemporary Ojibwa art. This legendary artist had created a visual language whose lineage included the ancient shaman artists of the Midiwewin scrolls, the Agawa Bay rock paintings and the Peterborough petroglyphs. As a master narrator, he had a voice that thundered like the sentinel of a people still listening to the stories told since creation.” -
Robert Houle

"I believe that when Canada 'disappears', Morrisseau will remain. I believe history will note that Norval Morrisseau will be better known than Pablo Picasso. He's more original."-
Robert McMichael

''He was a role model, visionary and seminal force throughout Native America and Canada. We were especially fortunate to have the great man himself present at the opening of his major retrospective, 'Norval Morrisseau: Shaman Artist,' at our New York City museum. Through his groundbreaking and vibrant works, he positioned his rich indigenous heritage squarely within modern art; a revolutionary and uplifting achievement that influences contemporary culture through today.'"-
Kevin Gover
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"Norval Morrisseau's most significant and enduring achievement will be measured over generations as the lasting impact of his greatest ambition - to instill pride - makes itself felt in the art of new artists compelled to create by his masterful paintings."

Greg A. Hill

"Their great appeal partly derives from Mr. Morrisseau's marrying of an understanding of Indian spirituality with his own formal ambitions as a painter... New York has many museums with countless exhibitions, but it's been a long time since I saw a show of such potent spirituality, warmth and feeling."

Benjamin Genocchio

"Norval Morrisseau's courageous and often controversial approach to his work was instrumental in encouraging First Nations people to know their spirituality, history and culture in order to better understand themselves. He taught us to be proud of who we are. He inspired countless other First Nations people to pursue a career in the arts. His legacy will remain with us and continue to inspire all Canadians for many generations to come."

Phil Fontaine

"Morrisseau was committed, from the very start, to preserving the stories and myths of his people. He never wavered. As troubled as his life was, he also went through it with this incredible sense of mission."

Paul Carvalho

"He was a courageous Aboriginal painter who, through perseverance and faith in his gift, was able to break through enormous cultural and racial barriers to bring his art not just to Canada, but to the world."

Chuck Strahl

"He has been described as perhaps the greatest native artist who ever lived - a primal visionary who gave form to the Ojibway legends and myths told to him by his maternal grandfather Moses "Potan" Nanakonagos."

Lloyd Dolha

Wednesday, May 7, 2008

Norval Morrisseau Cree Syllabics' Signature Study (Part I)

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Miskwaabik Animikii/Copper Thunderbird (Anishnaabe/English)
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Signature of Norval Morrisseau in Cree syllabics

/Click on image in order to analyze execution of Norval Morrisseau's signature/

Note: Norval Morrisseau's wife Harriet Kakegamic (Cree) taught him how to translate his Anishinaabek name Copper Thunderbird into Cree syllabics*.

* A syllabic writing system developed by Methodist missionary James Evans in the 1840s.

19 comments:

herbert said...: Analysis from an artist’s point of view

Spirit Walker with all due respect, how do we know we are even analyzing a real signature? 1977 is the most popular time period for the works under scrutiny.
I think many people, not just artists, could duplicate this signature. That is why tracing a piece to the artist is the only real proof. For all these paintings that have the same style, (it seems like we are talking thousands,) there would have to be a connection. In fact there should be hundreds of connections! I have now seen these lesser paintings showing up on lots of little gallery and internet sites, ebay etc. with no connection to Norval Morrisseau. This is not proof of authenticity, just good distribution by someone!

I don't know where you were in the 1970s but I went to Pollack shows in Toronto and worked up north before coming south again. I was among woodland painters. I assure you Norval Morrisseau has no connection to these paintings, and they weren't even done in the 1970s, is my best guess. Anyone can put any date on the back of a fresh painting.

Any one who knew Morrisseau’s work in the 1970s knows it didn't look like this, even when apprentices worked on them! If they did, they would have pictures of themselves with those paintings and Norval Morrisseau. The definitive coffee table book by Sinclair & Pollock doesn’t have anything close to these and it covers that period extensively.

Spirit Walker, obviously you are attached to these paintings you are emotionally attached, so I hesitate to be too hard in criticizing their quality, so I won’t. I can say as a painter I know why Norval had no trouble identifying these paintings, because they were not his in feel,nor style. There are many good woodalands artists who paint in a style closer to Norval then these ones! The compositions are wrong, the colours are wrong, even the way objects go on and off the canvas are wrong. No doubt in the artist’s eye. The birds are tear drops, the people have turbins, the creatures are all fierce, and swirling off the canvas a lot of the time. Norval Morrisseau had a more contained composition with more originality in each form, not the same creatures over and over. The faces are flat, Morrisseau’s have a flow to them, not chunky lumps for faces. That doesn’t mean they have no artist worth, just that they are not Norval Morrisseaus

Spirit Walker, investigating the Ojibwa history, learning about Norval and his wife, this has been done for many years by many people and I know you are learning but you must open your eyes to the possibility of what these paintings really are. I hope I have brought you to some of the artistic truth about these paintings. I think it is what you seek. It is not grounded in the false science of handwriting or paint chip analysis. So though I find your squared off Morrisseau signature appealing the true signature of an artist is not the name on the front or back f the painting but his painting style, his life print, not thumb print.

It can’t be faked. -HVK.; 07 May, 2008 15:15
Anonymous said...: Bravo, well said. Herbert thank you for this articulate narrative for it resounds 360* in the direct direction that any and all blog web sites and postings should absorb.; 07 May, 2008 17:41
Hugh said...: I think herbert has a point, and the artist's eye is one of the ways that art can pass or fail the authenticity test. When there is no scientific proof, no physical proof (documentation from the 70's and 80's) then this is an important observation. BLINK, as Malcolm Gladwell wrote, that quick impression, that catches so much, and puts it all together in the blink of an eye.
Thank you for joining us herbert, a new eye is always welcome.

This may sway even the Immobile SpiritWalker!

Just be,
Hugh; 07 May, 2008 18:42
Anonymous said...: In Response to KRG BLOG and the malicious attack on SpiritWalker's Racial Profiling.

What are the RACIAL backgrounds of all the members of The Norval Morrisseau Heritage Society?
If they are not Aboriginal Indian then they too have no credibility either and should be booted off the commitee for masquerading as such...by the way have they authenticated any of their 1700 pieces yet? Answer:NO!...lol

KRG...take your foot out of your hypocritical mouth...your not Aboriginal either...lol; 07 May, 2008 19:30
Anonymous said...: lol:pen name

Let me see...paint chip analysis,signature analysis,cree sylabic analysis,colour wheel analysis,canvas cloth analysis,brush stroke analysis,imagery analysis and character myth representation analysis to mention a few.
And you they keep asking for proof?
Lets face it you people are threatened by higher quality paintings that Morrisseau made and are very pissed off at buying the ugly pieces he made in light of the stuff from the 70's...suckers...lol; 07 May, 2008 19:39
Anonymous said...: Since you asked: Who is blogger Spirit Walker? Here's a brief Q&A: How long has he admired the artist?

IRRELEVANT

Over many years though he started his blog mid-November last year. He came to our attention when he first approached KRG seeking advice as a fledgling collector a number of years ago. Is he of Native descent?

Being aborigibal does not give one an automatic DEGREE in Art and Credibility because you are Indian.Catherine the Great of Russia was russia's most famous and influential Queen and she wasn't even Russian...she was GERMAN!She learned to be Russian...she became more Russian than her colleagues.There are many unschooled indians who are nothing more than high School dropouts and can barely read or write....maybe they should be the ones we ask to descipher Shakespear...lol

Nope—though he would probably prefer that you were left with that impression—Eastern European, Croatian to be exact. He arrived in North America as an adult. Has he ever had any connection to Norval Morrisseau? Nope, no direct contact with the artist that we've ever heard about.

A false statement based on Opinion accusation.These people cannot possibly tell you what your every move has been with Morrisseau nor anyone else for that matter...irrelevant.

Does he work in the Arts, as his profile indicates? Nope, he's an engineer. (Once indicated before he changed his profile.) There is a Native American performer named SpiritWalker who resides in New Mexico (thespiritwalker.com), but he's not the one commenting on Morrisseau. So where does this "Spirit Walker" get his expertise? Damned if I know.

Self-taught enthusiast...some of the most famouse men in history have always been self-taught masters.Norval Morrisseau for one...lol...and Harry S.Trueman president of the United States of America never went to university to get a degree but stuck his ass in libraries at a young age and learned things himself...Abraham Lincoln was another example of this.

Norval attracted many admirers during his lifetime; it seems no different in death. (Blog Master: Mozete li podnositi istinu?)

irrelevant comment...I guess new comers to the art now that Morrisseau is dead should not be allowed to become future experts?; 07 May, 2008 20:35
Anonymous said...: SW,

I am beginning to suspect that your are not being genuine. You constantly post that posts without identification would not be allowed. Yet look at today's offerings.

In regards to the KRG blog posting, I don't see it as racially profiling you at all. I think they are letting you know that they know who you are and want to make sure that nobody thinks you are someone different.

I understand if you find this annoying but I don't think they meant any harm by it. It is rather clear to me that they were not suggesting that one had to be indian - that's only coming from the anonymous poster above. I think their point is this: SW is not indian but is actually Croatian. Just in case you thought otherwise.

In regards to being indian - remember that Norval himself said that we are all indian and that it was the indian in us that he tried to reach with his art. I think (an opinion) Norval would agree that our race has little to do with much but would concede that it does colour our realities because we are "cultured" from different perspectives. Evidence would be that there appears to be only one indian on the NMHS... Of course, maybe Norval was being rather specific when he said "Never trust and indian."

In regards to the NMHS, why the attack on them? Just because they don't agree to your timetable (anonymous poster) doesn't mean they haven't already compiled information on fakes. What they think will eventually be made public. I suspect they will clear up much - I just don't know if owners of some paintings will be happy about their findings.

As for the paintings, Norval has reportedly said they were fakes. If that was so, then you must prove him a liar. So far, this has not been accomplished. And yes, I am sure he didn't remember every single painting he ever made - but I am sure he would recognise his own art immediately. Just like most of us can recognise our own writings and signatures...

As for SW's educational background, the other anonymous poster is correct in saying that there are many self taught enthusiasts BUT that does not mean that EVERY self taught enthusiast is an expert either.

I see that this blog is disintegrating now into nonsense.

It is evident that this is because SW is allowing anonymous posts for some unexplained reason - a complete 180 degree change in his policy overnight.

What nerve has KRG hit? It seemed to me only a direct comment on your blog. At least they acknowledged you!

Saddened.

Robert T.; 08 May, 2008 11:07
Hugh said...: SW,

Everyone of note, especially these days, gets found out. People want to know who you are. You are in the public eye. Where ever you go, the sheep are sure to follow. If you were Catherine the Great in this day and age you would have to work the media! Notoriety, ain't it a hassle.

LOL,

What the hell does your comment mean anyways? Too cryptic for me. I don't even know if you like or dislike the paintings in question! How does your list apply?

Looking forward to understanding. The Enlightenment's on but nobody's home.

Hugh
P.S. you certainly made me lol!; 08 May, 2008 11:29
Anonymous said...: So let me get this straight. We have possibly 2 people on the Morrisseau payroll that monitor this board. They are threatening to sue for "damages". Robert, the Morrisseau/Gabe camp has obviously hired you to muffle any comments you feel are not appropriate for your liking. Quite funny. Maybe you should be going after the numerous galleries that are selling the fake 70's paintings? Or is that too much of an undertaking? OR are these all real? AKA; 08 May, 2008 13:38
Anonymous said...: TO the above post..I assume by mentioning my name you are making the allegation that I work for Kinsman Robinson and or Gabe Vadas and or some "Morrisseau camp?"

That is simply another false statement. Perhaps you should read all my posts than you may actually know what you are talking about.

As for KR reading this blog - I think that is quite evident from their postings of today...

Are you paid by the "blog master" or the supposed "fakes" conspiracy team?

DO you hear yourselves? Ridiculous.

SW, I think I've provided you only with sound advice and I've also tried to dissuade people from saying things that can get them into trouble. I will not take ANY responsibility if they get sued by Kinsman Robinson.

I am offended. I may not believe everything that is posted and I may not agree with other interpretations but I am not here on behalf of Kinsman Robinson. I have only started considering that these paintings may not be genuine because the supposed "evidence" some keep promising never appears and all that does is personal attacks and statements which appear now to be legal issues for some.

Grow up. At least sign a fictitious name so people know who to address. Somethign other than MG.

Robert T.; 08 May, 2008 14:05
Anonymous said...: Robert NOBODY spend this much time on a "blog", unless you have an agenda. I just don't see a poster posting after each posting, but YOU. Are you a professional dealer? An Associate? What do you care about "evidence"? NOBODY fights as hard as you and for what reason? State your agenda? Mine is a collector of the "fake 1970's" paintings...AKA
P.S. your wrong on the M.G postings..I am not him/her..lousy detective work! LOL; 08 May, 2008 14:35
Anonymous said...: Question - why has no one posted any remarks on KRGs blog related to their comments on Spirit Walker?; 08 May, 2008 14:58
Anonymous said...: LOL (assuming that's your chosen ID):

I will provide you a taste of logic and show you how you make statements which actually support KR.

You state "Robert NOBODY spend (sic) this much time on a "blog", unless you have an agenda. I just don't see a poster posting after each posting, but YOU."

By your logic, you have confirmed that the Blogmaster has an AGENDA. Guess you must also. In fact, anybody who spends so much time on here must hav an agenda.

SO what's yours?

Secondly, you will see multiple posts from me because I post in spurts / I converse and respond to posts and I consistently sign my posts with the same identifier (as requested by SW) UNLIKE OTHERS ON THIS BOARD.

In regards to your questions:

NO - not a dealer. Not an associate.

In fact - NOT IN ART BUSINESS.

Can I be any clearer?

As for what I care about evidence? Well that comes back to MY agenda:

Honouring the legacy of Norval Morrisseau and seeking the Truth.

Please be more respectful. If you continue to argue like a child then I shall treat you like one and ignore you.

Perhaps nobody cares about the truth here? That woudl explain why you find my posts annoying.

I won't be posting anymore today - I'm fed up with the childish antics of people like you who whine when your statements are demonstrated to be erroneous or inconclusive. If nobody here cared about the "evidene" then why the hell are they trying to argue and prove these paintings to be real?

You can talk out of both sides of your mouth but you will be incoherent.

Robert T.; 08 May, 2008 15:21
Anonymous said...: Robert your a child..so I typed a little bit too fast and erred on a couple of words?

"NOT IN ART BUSINESS".. then you spend HOURS posting nonsense, correcting spelling errors, creating weird "facts", and stating posters will get SUED? What type of life do you lead on the internet? One sentence states you are going o ignore me and the next states your going to stop posting here.. Is everything OK? I own some paintings, you don't? ..WHY ARE YOU POSTING? Are you one of the Kinsman Kops? TOO FUNNY! AKA.....LOL; 08 May, 2008 15:44
Anonymous said...: Spirit Walker has not been completely hiding behind his user name. He has provided Skyp and email addresses numerous times through out this blog. He has encouraged people to contact him. If you are interested in knowing more about him including his name, background, interest in art and Norval Morrisseau and his knowledge you should contact him and then judge him.

I have talked to him numerous times and his intentions are good. Our views are slightly different as he is a firm believer in the 70's paintings and I still have questions about them (I some of them by the way!).

Spirit Walker - why don't you provide your email address and skyp address one more time...

AP; 08 May, 2008 16:53
Anonymous said...: KRG posted my comments on their board... They are reading this for sure..

Little Thunderbird; 08 May, 2008 17:34
Matt said...: The point of view that Herbert has posted is as succinct a posting as anyone has made. I have been following the blog for months and have chosen not to participate until now.

There is a logic that he follows. Not emotional, not personal and not with an agenda. While the polarized camps debate individual paintings, the larger point is missed. I believe, as does Herbert, that the so called 70's paintings are obvious. What it comes down to is individuals must make up their own minds as to what is real and what is not.

If one thinks, as SW does, that the disputed 70's works are real, then that is his prerogative. The only time it really matters is when someone wants to purchase a painting, then the buyer should do their due diligence and make a decision based on the current facts.; 10 May, 2008 01:01
Anonymous said...: Matt,

Well said. Although that had been pointed out long ago on this blog and was ignored. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Robert T.; 10 May, 2008 03:18
Anonymous said...: why does SW continue to ask people to contact him on skype?
it is because he can slander KRG and Ross and gabe. he will not do it here because he would be sued on the spot.
I know what is said on skype.
amazing. if you are within 100-200 feet of a skype user on the cell phone, a $10 baby monitor will pick up the conversation which can then be recorded on a portable recorder.
the game is almost over.
Have a great day.
V from TV; 19 May, 2008 12:49

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Wednesday, May 7, 2008

Norval Morrisseau Cree Syllabics' Signature Study (Part I)

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